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Please I would like to get some help trying to figure out the best possible route for a non pressurized airplane for Toulon to Verona. Looking at the maps it looks like North of Genova is a good place to cross the mountains. Is that the case? Any advise is very welcomed!

Thank you,

Juan

Hi Delazar, and welcome to VFRFlight.net!
Yes, in my opinion the best way is to proceed via coastal routes across France to Genova LIMJ, and then cross northbound via GIOVI VRP to join Padana valley. You'll be able to cross mountains there at as low as 5000'. Genova Radar is usually very helpful and GA friendly, and if you enter italian FIR and you're handled over directly to Genova APP you have good chances to maintain your original altitude/level, at least until you're handled to Mi-Info...

Hi Delazar, welcome!
Claf is right, you can follow the sea route via Nice - Genova and cross over passo dei Giovi (minimum of 4000 ft is suggested to cross). Then I remember you that maximum VFR altitude south of PO river is 3000ft, north of PO river is 2000ft.
Have a safe flight then!

...and please be aware that currently Garda CTR is closed to all VFR traffic by NOTAM. This means that you won't be able to get a clearance to cross the "CTR1" of Garda, which is the "inner" part which goes all the way down to the ground. You will neither get clearance for the other two sectors, CTR2 and CTR3, but at least you can fly below them without clearance, because they don't go all the way down to ground.

This situation will unfortunately persist for east least half a year from now, probably more. >:(
So, after passing between Linate and Piacenza CTR, the way to go is to proceed to Brescia city and then eastbound via the south shore of Lake Garda to Boscomantico, which is a very scenic routing, though.

BTW, I am from Verona, so let me know if you need anything.

Philipp

Many thanks for all the responses. If the weather is good (Beechcraft Bonanza is not ice certified), will probably file IFR via ABN-Lupos-verona, or even better Lagen-VOG if possible. If there are icing conditions will go VFR as per your advise. I have not done much flying in mountains, is there anything special about this mountain range? Another question I have is about Boscomantico. Is it GA friendly, is AVgas available?

Juan

If you proceed via LUPOS than you'll overfly some mountains, called Appennini, but their not like Alps, way lower (don't know the MEL of the area, but mountains are 5000' max as far as I remember).
It's definitely not "mountain flying", all the more if you'r flying at IFR levels.
Otherwise, if you'll fly LAGEN-VOG you'll get clear of mountains just inbound VOG.

Hello Juan,

if memorys serves me well IFR minimum enroute levels are higher on the LUPOS sector, better to plan via LAGEN-VOG, then once you're in the Milano TMA you'll get vectors or a direct to towards Verona.  Since you'll be coming in IFR you might be able to get into Boscomantico after breaking from the ILS into Villafranca, should there be issues with low clouds.

Beware of the fact that GA is allowed into LIPX only PPR, even if it's only training.  A friend of mine wanted to shoot a practice ILS into LIPX and got rejected although he had a confirmed IFR FPL with ACK.  They really don't like GA traffic in the Garda area these days...

If weather is nice then another alternative would be to fly VOG-COD (maybe all the way to BSA) and cancel IFR over COD (or BSA) to proceed VFR  towards Brescia city then Lake Garda, as suggested by Philipp.  It's worth the detour, Lake Garda is quite a view.

Let us know if you need any further help.

Ciao, Luca

Re Boscomantico: It is in fact a pure VFR/GA airfield, so yes, it is very GA friendly. Parking outside, even for longer periods of time, is no problem. Hangarage might also be possibile, better call in advance for that, though.
There is a nice little restaurant on site.
For a 2-ton aircraft, expect to pay about 25-30 Euros for landing (depends on # of passengers), plus a few Euros for parking each day.
You need a taxi to get into town (15-20 Euros).

Re Avgas: Unfortunately, the reply is no. There are actually two (!) avgas pumps on field. However, one is of the local aeroclub, which does not have a license to sell Avgas and the other one is owned by some sort of syndicate, which you would have to be member of in order to get their fuel. I am aware that this situation is scandalous for a major GA field like Verona Boscomantico, but I can't help it. There are however a few fields nearby which do sell Avgas.

If you need anything else, you can e-mail me: [email protected]

Philipp

 

You can find AVGas enroute at Voghera LILH and Speziana (600 mt grass...careful to snow eventually).
Here it is website of speziana www.speziana.it (http://www.speziana.it)